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    ms@ms.lt Mar 16 01:14AM +0200 ^

     
    Suresh,
     
    Thank you for your leadership at Open Kollab.
     
    My initiative "12 Questions" http://www.12questions.org is taking shape.
    Here's a letter I wrote today to Jerry Michalski with my current thoughts:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/990
     
    You're increasing the visibility of projects with specific questions about
    their Mission, Goals, Business Models, State of Project, Collaborative
    Relationships, Project Summary.
     
    I'm interested with "12 Questions" to increase the "visibility of people"
    with similar questions.
     
    I appreciate your thoughts on synergies I might look for as I
    work-in-parallel with you, or simply, ways I might help you and Open
    Kollab.
     
    I'm looking for customers-clients-patrons-sponsors for paid work. For
    example, I could work for a venture capitalist to engage, interview and
    present the answers from entrepreneurs they are thinking of funding, so
    that there is agreement on the entrepeneurs personal goals, and they might
    be held accountable to them, especially as they might affect the success
    of the enterprises that are funded.
     
    I once asked Kevin Jones of Good Capital, "How do you know what is
    'good'?" and I think he did't have a definition (or it's interesting to
    learn and examine!) nor do most if not all 'social venture' funders. And
    this is not trivial. Consider, for example, ethanol or electric cars or
    genetically modified foods or democracy or organic wines or orphanages or
    condoms or school uniforms or malaria bed nets or university degrees or
    Linux or DDT. What makes them "good" or not?
     
    One way to think of the 'goodness' of a social entrepreneur's work is if
    their entrepreneurial activity accords with their own values, indeed, if
    that activity is a personal transformation which makes them more "whole"
    (in the sense of Christopher Alexander and his pattern languages).
    Mentally, I personally am repulsed by any model that supposes that
    entrepreneurs or other leaders can live "sick" lives and thereby make for
    a "healthy" world. I believe we live in a "sick" world because we have
    "sick" leaders, many of whom are "do-gooders".
     
    Andrius
     
    Andrius Kulikauskas
    Minciu Sodas
    http://www.ms.lt
    ms@ms.lt
     

     

    Suresh Fernando <suresh@radical-inclusion.com> Mar 15 04:32PM -0700 ^

     
    Hi Andrius,
     
    See below.
     
    > work-in-parallel with you, or simply, ways I might help you and Open
    > Kollab.
     
    > I'm looking for customers-clients-patrons-sponsors for paid work.
     
     
    Me too! One of the reasons that I started the thread regarding the lack of
    seed funding for social entrepreneurs is the fact that I am one of those
    that am having serious trouble getting anyone to support my activity. It
    doesn't seem to matter what the substance of ones model is; how much
    thinking has gone into it, what others think about it etc. If one has not
    'proven the concept', funders are not interested.
     
    This is because their stated missions (to change the world for the better)
    are trumped by their concern for convention and risk management.
     
     
    > that there is agreement on the entrepeneurs personal goals, and they might
    > be held accountable to them, especially as they might affect the success
    > of the enterprises that are funded.
     
    This sort of purely qualitative process should be a part of the mix. I
    suspect that some of the funders have processes that might approximate this
    but I don't know for sure.
     
    I strongly believe that qualitative means such as this will be necessary in
    the social venture space since the whole notion of social return is not
    quantifiable in the same way that financial return is. That said, I am not
    sure how ready they would be for the sort of process that you are
    suggesting.
     
    > genetically modified foods or democracy or organic wines or orphanages or
    > condoms or school uniforms or malaria bed nets or university degrees or
    > Linux or DDT. What makes them "good" or not?
     
    This is a reasonable point. At some level, we need to use intuition to
    determine what is 'good'. The sort of intuition that guides our decision to
    support a homeless shelter instead of a coal power plant.
     
    > entrepreneurs or other leaders can live "sick" lives and thereby make for
    > a "healthy" world. I believe we live in a "sick" world because we have
    > "sick" leaders, many of whom are "do-gooders".
     
    This is one way of thinking about it. My guess is that funders see the world
    more from a utilitarian perspective – the 'greatest good for the greatest
    number'… whatever ones definition of good is hey will expect to see its
    impact on 'society' or the world.
     
     
     

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